The sharply divided responses to Daniel Penny's acquittal & Luigi Mangione's arrest for the murder of a health insurance company CEO reveal the double standards & hypocrisy of a violent country
These, Waj, are good perspectives. Violence, vigilante or otherwise is an undesirable outcome. There are other courses of action for which one can reach. Diplomacy. Nonviolent activism, etc. Sometimes it is not possible in an emergency or when self is endangered. It is not a perfect world by any means. We can set a sample by our own personal actions. We can mentor others. We cannot stop rogue actors. We can disarm this land through nonviolent activism.
Those capable of practicing sensate and conscientious, comparative moral judgment clearly understand that killing one person, as abhorrent as that is, is incommensurable with causing the death and maiming of hundreds of thousands, and perhaps millions, of American human beings by a healthcare insurance company whose rapacious financial greed supervenes on the well-being of those people’s lives and those of their close ones. Indeed, the more commensurable practice of mass violence would be the moral depravity and sociopathy of the healthcare insurance industry, on the one hand, and Trump’s grotesquely incompetent Covid response, which morphed into default pandemic democide that wantonly killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Americans who would otherwise likely still be alive today, on the other.
And let’s not forget about the hero they made out of Kyle Rittenhouse, a young man who was major messed up, then through peer pressure, against the advice of his attorney, became the folk hero to the right, celebrating his killing of non-violent protestors who understood and stood up for the value of all human life. There is no both sides here. NONE
Speaking only to the acquittal of D Perry, and as a victim of violence and woman, I do not see this with racial bias. I was not at the trial, so I did not hear the testimony and you may be correct in your outrage. However, I would have appreciated and relieved if, in the absence of police, someone had come to my aid back in the day. This is not a judgement. It is just a perspective from someone who was not able to get away from an aggressor and I therefore have a different perspective. Race, did not enter my mind. Mental illness did not enter my mind. For me, it is strictly about trauma and the scars caused by being a victim. I am glad for acquittal, though sorry about the death, and were I on the jury, I probably would have not chosen to convict. Sorry.
It is one thing to restrain or subdue an individual until help arrives. In that regard I have no qualms. However there was no need to so greatly exceed that, that he killed the man. There is no fine line there. It is entirely possible to subdue someone without killing them.
I have not heard of anyone celebrating what these 2 murders did..I was shocked to hear that the murderer of the mentally ill man had witnesses that saw from the beginning of what actually happened & most said he wasn't so threatening that he needed to be killed!..it's one thing to grab & hold until help arrived but that's not what happen the guy just simply killed the poor man..& as far has the guy u shot & killed a CEO of United Healthcare - well there's no sadness there for him finally being caught..I hope he gets the mental help he needs but also is convicted of a premeditated murder..
Honest to God it pained me to have to watch that. I cannot stand Piers Morgan ("allow me to conduct my own interview interviews" 🤬) but it was worth it in the end. I love that you got out all of that! Brilliant! PS I am one of the latter people you spoke of. I don't condone violence. But I believe you have to understand the perpetrator of the crime (backstory, motive, mental health status etc.) and the actions of the victim and their story. I couldn't think of two more opposite examples as these two recent cases.
You are really off your rocker. You celebrate the ambush execution from behind of a man just walking down the street as a symbol for hate against health insurance companies - without thinking about how many lives they save by approving claims. Then you want to punish a man for defending others on a subway from a threatening man. Penny obviously didn't mean to kill Neely, but in the chaos of the moment these things can happen. You think he intended to kill Neely that day? No. Why make it about race when the people Penny was defending were black. Maybe Neely shouldn't have threatened everyone.
And FFS Neely had mental health issues that weren't properly treated, likely as a result of the failure of the same healthcare system. What is wrong with you?
How do you know Daniel Penny didn't mean to kill him? You're making assumptions. I would completely disagree with you and you're being intentionally obtuse regarding the business of healthcare insurance. We don't need them to approve claims. They shouldn't be in the middle of it anyway. That's the whole problem. You can only draw accurate conclusions from facts that you can verify. You can't verify Daniel Penny's intention. But there's an insane amount of data on the number of people that die needlessly when they are denied care by the health insurance companies.
Oh Waj, you do us proud! I feel for you and am grateful for your voice and heart. Glad to see you on the mend.
These, Waj, are good perspectives. Violence, vigilante or otherwise is an undesirable outcome. There are other courses of action for which one can reach. Diplomacy. Nonviolent activism, etc. Sometimes it is not possible in an emergency or when self is endangered. It is not a perfect world by any means. We can set a sample by our own personal actions. We can mentor others. We cannot stop rogue actors. We can disarm this land through nonviolent activism.
Wow, he let you speak!!
Well done! I'm surprised he didn't interrupt you
What a world we live in. To BL(don't)M
To Palestinian lives don't matter
To Ukrainian and Russian lives don't matter.
What matters is the Empire
Those capable of practicing sensate and conscientious, comparative moral judgment clearly understand that killing one person, as abhorrent as that is, is incommensurable with causing the death and maiming of hundreds of thousands, and perhaps millions, of American human beings by a healthcare insurance company whose rapacious financial greed supervenes on the well-being of those people’s lives and those of their close ones. Indeed, the more commensurable practice of mass violence would be the moral depravity and sociopathy of the healthcare insurance industry, on the one hand, and Trump’s grotesquely incompetent Covid response, which morphed into default pandemic democide that wantonly killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Americans who would otherwise likely still be alive today, on the other.
Keep speaking out, Waj. We need you.💙
And let’s not forget about the hero they made out of Kyle Rittenhouse, a young man who was major messed up, then through peer pressure, against the advice of his attorney, became the folk hero to the right, celebrating his killing of non-violent protestors who understood and stood up for the value of all human life. There is no both sides here. NONE
Bravo Wajahat!
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Daniel Penny, not Jordan. Jordan was the victim.
good catch! thanks.
Speaking only to the acquittal of D Perry, and as a victim of violence and woman, I do not see this with racial bias. I was not at the trial, so I did not hear the testimony and you may be correct in your outrage. However, I would have appreciated and relieved if, in the absence of police, someone had come to my aid back in the day. This is not a judgement. It is just a perspective from someone who was not able to get away from an aggressor and I therefore have a different perspective. Race, did not enter my mind. Mental illness did not enter my mind. For me, it is strictly about trauma and the scars caused by being a victim. I am glad for acquittal, though sorry about the death, and were I on the jury, I probably would have not chosen to convict. Sorry.
It is one thing to restrain or subdue an individual until help arrives. In that regard I have no qualms. However there was no need to so greatly exceed that, that he killed the man. There is no fine line there. It is entirely possible to subdue someone without killing them.
I have not heard of anyone celebrating what these 2 murders did..I was shocked to hear that the murderer of the mentally ill man had witnesses that saw from the beginning of what actually happened & most said he wasn't so threatening that he needed to be killed!..it's one thing to grab & hold until help arrived but that's not what happen the guy just simply killed the poor man..& as far has the guy u shot & killed a CEO of United Healthcare - well there's no sadness there for him finally being caught..I hope he gets the mental help he needs but also is convicted of a premeditated murder..
Honest to God it pained me to have to watch that. I cannot stand Piers Morgan ("allow me to conduct my own interview interviews" 🤬) but it was worth it in the end. I love that you got out all of that! Brilliant! PS I am one of the latter people you spoke of. I don't condone violence. But I believe you have to understand the perpetrator of the crime (backstory, motive, mental health status etc.) and the actions of the victim and their story. I couldn't think of two more opposite examples as these two recent cases.
You are really off your rocker. You celebrate the ambush execution from behind of a man just walking down the street as a symbol for hate against health insurance companies - without thinking about how many lives they save by approving claims. Then you want to punish a man for defending others on a subway from a threatening man. Penny obviously didn't mean to kill Neely, but in the chaos of the moment these things can happen. You think he intended to kill Neely that day? No. Why make it about race when the people Penny was defending were black. Maybe Neely shouldn't have threatened everyone.
And FFS Neely had mental health issues that weren't properly treated, likely as a result of the failure of the same healthcare system. What is wrong with you?
How do you know Daniel Penny didn't mean to kill him? You're making assumptions. I would completely disagree with you and you're being intentionally obtuse regarding the business of healthcare insurance. We don't need them to approve claims. They shouldn't be in the middle of it anyway. That's the whole problem. You can only draw accurate conclusions from facts that you can verify. You can't verify Daniel Penny's intention. But there's an insane amount of data on the number of people that die needlessly when they are denied care by the health insurance companies.