I suspect that there are MAGA others besides Vance who want to leap into the role of Majestic MAGA when Trump goes to prison. They are all control freaks.
I have a feeling that Vance will kick trump to the curb not long after they are in office, most likely using the 25th Amendment.
Thanks to Garland’s lack of moral courage and backbone in using his appointed authority and our laws to hold trump legally accountable for his corrupt actions while in office and now for fomenting violence against everyone who disagrees with him, others who hold the sam vile, far-right views have tasted power and the anticipatory thrill of using violence against all those “others”.
Society only holds together if the rules, social norms and actual laws are adhered to and enforced across the board.
I totally agree, and that means that we are no longer a nation that wants to accomplish anything more than winning power games. We haven't learned history's lessons. Sadly, I think the only thing that might reverse that is something like another Cuban missile crisis, but even then, MAGAs will be slow on the uptake because they already have an affinity for our enemies.
Well hasn't the wheel come full circle since 2016. Hillary's "basket of deplorables" are on full display. Let's see, we got racists, Fascists, neo-Nazis, Christian Nationalist zealots, garden-variety bigots, pro-Militia gun nuts, MAGA, trad wives, Moms for Liberty... and on and on. Basically anything and anyone that is the antithesis to pro-democracy.
It's getting so tiresome. Our neighbors on either side, one has had a "Veterans for Harris" sign out for a week, which I was grateful for as it's the first one, and then this evening, the other side put out 4 signs, one of which read "Fed up yet? Vote Republican!" I couldn't read the others. All I was thinking is, JFC, we are in the middle of this now. Fed up with what exactly? I'm not sure at this point.
Condolences. Do you like your Trumpy neighbors? I have a bunch of people I really like who are Republicans - but we don't talk politics because I'd prefer to keep them as friends.....
Well one of them is our HOA prez, so we play nice with him and he's the one with now, 6 signs in his yard, windows and a huge Trump flag flying on his garage. He is displaying pure ignorance and hatred, so no, I don't think I like him at all.
If mainstream media were truly interested in holding Trump accountable they would be highlighting his obsession and his ties to Nazi propaganda. They would also highlight the fact that JD Vance is a prop for Heritage Foundation and Project 2025. These are all ties to white supremacy and Christian nationalism. And this is why there will be more violence and persecution because the message is that the country belongs to white people. If you’re not in sync with them you’re the enemy.
All are basically sharing the Genocidal Trend or Enable others’ to commit Genocide … all politics and money together Corrupting their Soul and Actions ! Never fall for these disguise acts and never vote for these corrupt politicians on the AIPAC pay roll !
When the Democrats say that Zionist Jews have some extra rights over the People of the Land of Palestine, the Democrats sounds like the NAZIs meaning Zionist Jews have the right to commit Genocide / Play it Again Holocaust ! Why didn’t they play it then in European Theatre of War? Why do they have to come to the Calm of the Palestine to Ethnic cleanse the Palestinians and disturb the Calm to Colonise Palestine ?
If you’re an American with a conscience, you should cast a vote for an anti-genocide third party presidential candidate on 11/5 because deceitful Democrats and rotten Republicans are 100% responsible for funding/arming Israel’s annihilation operation against innocent civilians, especially children/babies, in Gaza, the occupied West Bank, and Lebanon. Free Palestine 🇵🇸 🍉🕊️
I see some projection in that statement. It would be a disaster from which this nation would likely not recover if Mango Mussolini should get back in power.
Make sure Kamala crushes Trump, & then immediately after the election build a progressive coalition that can compete with the Democratic Party from the left. That is the most effective strategy for progressives & for the good of the whole nation (& world for that matter).
That’s laughable and pathetic. So, your solution is to reward war criminals for committing genocide and then to pretend you’re going to build an alternative progressive coalition? 😆 What do you think the Green Party is doing right now?
Rewarding war criminals like Netanyahu & Putin would be to vote their closest American ally Trump back into power, which is what your strategy (& Stein's) would do.
Not voting for Harris, who made might defend Israel’s right to defend itself, but also spoke out about the civilian deaths in Gaza, is a vote for trump. Who actually called for a Muslim ban and will go a lot further if re-elected. Don’t be a fool. You’re falling into the trap of maga and extremists.
And a felon. And a sexual predator. And a convicted rapist. And a convicted corrupt piece of shit (although I don’t believe the court used “piece of shit” as a description - that’s me).
I’m sorry, Zizi, but your language is painting an awfully broad brush of hatred itself. Why would you use that nasty nickname for the only candidate who will save us from a dictator. Of course the world is imperfect but we need more rational common sense, not less.
If there was a third party that could actually win and who had excellent ideas and policies to stop the genocides in Gaza and Ukraine then sure, I’d look into them. Stein is just like trump though - out to enrich only one person - herself. She’s also a Putin tool and works with trump’s team. (You can look all that up.)
Biden’s full support for the Gaza genocide sickens me to no end and I am glad I don’t have to consider voting for him again. The only reason I did so the first time was because he wasn’t trump.
That Harris hasn’t carved out a stand against it is a problem but I can see her waiting until in office to do so. If she did it now the massive pro-Israel lobby here would unleash hell on her. It comes down to two facts - under trump, Gaza and Ukraine will be wiped off the planet (and whomever else Putin wants); under Harris there is a possibility that won’t happen. I have to take a chance on her. And if she doesn’t drop the full support for genocide we can always make ourselves and our beliefs known. trump and stein would not only not give a rat’s ass they would retaliate against anyone speaking out against their dear Putin. Harris would at least listen if the movement were big enough.
Only if you're in a non-swing state can we afford that. We must defeat Trump & other Republicans overwhelmingly so that the party will implode & they can no longer threaten our national security, democracy & sovereignty. Then build an opposition party on the LEFT of the Democratic Party. As lamentable as Biden's military support for Netanyahu is, his policy is still not as bad as Trump's would be, especially for our own Muslims & immigrants (both legal & undocumented). And on every other issue -- & this is certainly not the only vital issue we face as a nation or world -- the Democratic position & record is superior to the Republican, often far superior.
[The leftist opposition party of which I speak should be a coalition of progressive minor parties, progressive independents & progressive Democrats that together can provide a viable alternative to the Democratic Party, unlike the scattered progressives we presently have.]
Keep lying to yourself, buddy. Holocaust Harris isn’t surrounding herself with any progressive poseurs or even moderate Republican-lite Democrats. She’s licking the boots of right-wing rejects like warmonger Liz Cheney and Liz’s despicable daddy Dick “Darth Vader” Cheney. In other words, the Democrat Party has been completely highjacked by war criminal neocon Republicans and they’re going to lose the election on 11/5 because they deserve to be punished for their heinous crimes against humanity. Gore Vidal was so spot-on when he said: “We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing.”
Your comments are typical of an antidemocratic, anti-American, pro-Russian troll. You are willing to sacrifice what's left of any democratic rights we have as well as the inhabitability of the world to "teach a lesson" to the Democrats. The most important issue that continues to be ignored & exacerbated by Republicans, corporatists & billionaires is biospheric collapse caused by the combination of global heating/climate chaos, environmental destruction, ecosystem disintegration, marine degradation & mass extinction. Trump/Vance will accelerate that process. At least as important as the carnage perpetrated by Trump & Putin's fellow psychopath Netanyahu, is the barbaric atrocities perpetrated by Russia on Ukraine that threatens to plunge all of Europe into war if Russia succeeds (& gives China encouragement to attack Taiwan). Putin's puppet Trump will give Putin (& Xi) whatever he wants, & democracy & civilization throughout the world will be in jeopardy. I also suspect that Putin is the mastermind behind the attack by the proxy of Russia's most faithful ally in their war against Ukraine that occurred on Putin's birthday, since he benefits more than anyone else (except temporarily Netanyahu), with less international scrutiny of his atrocities in Ukraine & increased social unrest in the US & the undermining of support for Biden/Harris, which benefits the Siberian Candidate, Benedict Donald.
And so obviously, the true useful idiot here is trump. If I didn't detest him so much, he would possibly be worthy of pity. What a self-absorbed, delusional, and stunted man child he is. But playing with the fate of generations after him, right before he kicks the bucket, is abhorrent.
I'm really not seeing the Cheneys in the future "inner circle" but they're certainly useful to deploy to appeal to wavering old school Republicans. I certainly hope they are kicked to the curb after.
My stepfather and mother were like that. Republicans to the bitter end. Always voting against people and policies that would have improved their own lives just so they could keep all those “others” from getting any either. They would have adored trump and vance and then been ground under their heels after putting them in office.
That's sad. So many families have been disrupted by the hate & division spewed by Trump, Fox, etc.
I have been lucky in that no one in my family has been taken in by Trump or Fox. I don't even know personally anyone I suspect of supporting Trump, although very few people around me talk politics, so it just may be some do support him but don't talk about it.
People often hold views that are the opposite of what one would think they would be due to any one of many factors - gender, identity, race, social status, etc. Being a Muslim immigrant is part of who you are but it doesn’t mean you get a pass or excuse for your political views, especially given how far right they are with your support for Stein. The Green Party might have become a force to be reckoned with but Stein destroyed it for her own gain and notoriety.
I agree. The Green Party was on the right path, but Stein has set them back by, like RFK Jr. & others, trying to sabotage the chances of Democrats & democracy prevailing. Her actions have been supporting the likes of Trump & Putin rather than focusing on the issues the Green Party has been known & lauded for, making their goals & any hopes of becoming a major party much harder to attain.
This is an echo chamber of genocide apologists. You don’t care about Palestinians or any group of oppressed people. You just care about yourselves. You’re all ugly Americans.
Outstanding commentary!
Yes, our biggest problem is “ the enemy within” led by a Nazi cult leader!
Thank you Waj
I suspect that there are MAGA others besides Vance who want to leap into the role of Majestic MAGA when Trump goes to prison. They are all control freaks.
I have a feeling that Vance will kick trump to the curb not long after they are in office, most likely using the 25th Amendment.
Thanks to Garland’s lack of moral courage and backbone in using his appointed authority and our laws to hold trump legally accountable for his corrupt actions while in office and now for fomenting violence against everyone who disagrees with him, others who hold the sam vile, far-right views have tasted power and the anticipatory thrill of using violence against all those “others”.
Society only holds together if the rules, social norms and actual laws are adhered to and enforced across the board.
I totally agree, and that means that we are no longer a nation that wants to accomplish anything more than winning power games. We haven't learned history's lessons. Sadly, I think the only thing that might reverse that is something like another Cuban missile crisis, but even then, MAGAs will be slow on the uptake because they already have an affinity for our enemies.
Well hasn't the wheel come full circle since 2016. Hillary's "basket of deplorables" are on full display. Let's see, we got racists, Fascists, neo-Nazis, Christian Nationalist zealots, garden-variety bigots, pro-Militia gun nuts, MAGA, trad wives, Moms for Liberty... and on and on. Basically anything and anyone that is the antithesis to pro-democracy.
Thank you Waj! You nailed it succinctly: "There is an enemy within, and its name is MAGA."
Thanks Waj. This is just so despicable and disgusting. We must get out the vote and vote for Kamala Harris. Hope to see you on the Nerds tomorrow. 💙
I'm so tired of reading all this stuff. WE know. I guess what we didn't realize is either how stupid or how racist our neighbors are.
It's getting so tiresome. Our neighbors on either side, one has had a "Veterans for Harris" sign out for a week, which I was grateful for as it's the first one, and then this evening, the other side put out 4 signs, one of which read "Fed up yet? Vote Republican!" I couldn't read the others. All I was thinking is, JFC, we are in the middle of this now. Fed up with what exactly? I'm not sure at this point.
Condolences. Do you like your Trumpy neighbors? I have a bunch of people I really like who are Republicans - but we don't talk politics because I'd prefer to keep them as friends.....
Well one of them is our HOA prez, so we play nice with him and he's the one with now, 6 signs in his yard, windows and a huge Trump flag flying on his garage. He is displaying pure ignorance and hatred, so no, I don't think I like him at all.
If mainstream media were truly interested in holding Trump accountable they would be highlighting his obsession and his ties to Nazi propaganda. They would also highlight the fact that JD Vance is a prop for Heritage Foundation and Project 2025. These are all ties to white supremacy and Christian nationalism. And this is why there will be more violence and persecution because the message is that the country belongs to white people. If you’re not in sync with them you’re the enemy.
I would only take issue with the word “stochastic.”
The word stochastic is used by nobody whom we want to listen to us.
In before MAGAlomaniacs say the photo is a deepfake. Or worse still, telling us that "Hitler was right".
All are basically sharing the Genocidal Trend or Enable others’ to commit Genocide … all politics and money together Corrupting their Soul and Actions ! Never fall for these disguise acts and never vote for these corrupt politicians on the AIPAC pay roll !
Like the Old Cold War Slogan, NAZIs under the Bed !
All are Americans and all are Bad Enough !
I have no doubt, our politics has asymptomatically getting closer and closer to the Old NAZI characteristics and Practice !
When the Democrats say that Zionist Jews have some extra rights over the People of the Land of Palestine, the Democrats sounds like the NAZIs meaning Zionist Jews have the right to commit Genocide / Play it Again Holocaust ! Why didn’t they play it then in European Theatre of War? Why do they have to come to the Calm of the Palestine to Ethnic cleanse the Palestinians and disturb the Calm to Colonise Palestine ?
Biden Kamala trump Obama and keep going the trend is obvious !
The one trending closer to the NAZIs is obviously Kamala, the Black Indian !
You reply to your own comment? Dude, that isn't a thing, sowwy.
Please, don’t stand on your head and read my comment !
Stein/Ware 2024 💚
If you’re an American with a conscience, you should cast a vote for an anti-genocide third party presidential candidate on 11/5 because deceitful Democrats and rotten Republicans are 100% responsible for funding/arming Israel’s annihilation operation against innocent civilians, especially children/babies, in Gaza, the occupied West Bank, and Lebanon. Free Palestine 🇵🇸 🍉🕊️
Can’t take any chance that might get Trump elected!
Ok got it. You’re looking out for yourself and you’re pro-genocide.
I see some projection in that statement. It would be a disaster from which this nation would likely not recover if Mango Mussolini should get back in power.
Make sure Kamala crushes Trump, & then immediately after the election build a progressive coalition that can compete with the Democratic Party from the left. That is the most effective strategy for progressives & for the good of the whole nation (& world for that matter).
That’s laughable and pathetic. So, your solution is to reward war criminals for committing genocide and then to pretend you’re going to build an alternative progressive coalition? 😆 What do you think the Green Party is doing right now?
Trying to get Trump elected
Rewarding war criminals like Netanyahu & Putin would be to vote their closest American ally Trump back into power, which is what your strategy (& Stein's) would do.
Not voting for Harris, who made might defend Israel’s right to defend itself, but also spoke out about the civilian deaths in Gaza, is a vote for trump. Who actually called for a Muslim ban and will go a lot further if re-elected. Don’t be a fool. You’re falling into the trap of maga and extremists.
No, I’m looking out for my country. We can’t have a Nazi psychopath/sociopath as President who is a habitual liar‼️😡
And a felon. And a sexual predator. And a convicted rapist. And a convicted corrupt piece of shit (although I don’t believe the court used “piece of shit” as a description - that’s me).
Vote for Killer Kamala if that brings you joy in the time of genocide. I will never vote for a war criminal who is also a compulsive liar.
“Historically, the most terrible things - war, genocide, and slavery - have resulted not from disobedience, but from obedience.” — Howard Zinn
I’m sorry, Zizi, but your language is painting an awfully broad brush of hatred itself. Why would you use that nasty nickname for the only candidate who will save us from a dictator. Of course the world is imperfect but we need more rational common sense, not less.
Agree, Katharine! Very sensible!
If there was a third party that could actually win and who had excellent ideas and policies to stop the genocides in Gaza and Ukraine then sure, I’d look into them. Stein is just like trump though - out to enrich only one person - herself. She’s also a Putin tool and works with trump’s team. (You can look all that up.)
Biden’s full support for the Gaza genocide sickens me to no end and I am glad I don’t have to consider voting for him again. The only reason I did so the first time was because he wasn’t trump.
That Harris hasn’t carved out a stand against it is a problem but I can see her waiting until in office to do so. If she did it now the massive pro-Israel lobby here would unleash hell on her. It comes down to two facts - under trump, Gaza and Ukraine will be wiped off the planet (and whomever else Putin wants); under Harris there is a possibility that won’t happen. I have to take a chance on her. And if she doesn’t drop the full support for genocide we can always make ourselves and our beliefs known. trump and stein would not only not give a rat’s ass they would retaliate against anyone speaking out against their dear Putin. Harris would at least listen if the movement were big enough.
Here's Medhi Hasan eloquently explaining the inconvenient truth about third party candidates and what a vote for them means...
https://youtu.be/d7vOzUmqv-s?si=Spn3WzETyj-rkK2Q
Only if you're in a non-swing state can we afford that. We must defeat Trump & other Republicans overwhelmingly so that the party will implode & they can no longer threaten our national security, democracy & sovereignty. Then build an opposition party on the LEFT of the Democratic Party. As lamentable as Biden's military support for Netanyahu is, his policy is still not as bad as Trump's would be, especially for our own Muslims & immigrants (both legal & undocumented). And on every other issue -- & this is certainly not the only vital issue we face as a nation or world -- the Democratic position & record is superior to the Republican, often far superior.
[The leftist opposition party of which I speak should be a coalition of progressive minor parties, progressive independents & progressive Democrats that together can provide a viable alternative to the Democratic Party, unlike the scattered progressives we presently have.]
Keep lying to yourself, buddy. Holocaust Harris isn’t surrounding herself with any progressive poseurs or even moderate Republican-lite Democrats. She’s licking the boots of right-wing rejects like warmonger Liz Cheney and Liz’s despicable daddy Dick “Darth Vader” Cheney. In other words, the Democrat Party has been completely highjacked by war criminal neocon Republicans and they’re going to lose the election on 11/5 because they deserve to be punished for their heinous crimes against humanity. Gore Vidal was so spot-on when he said: “We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing.”
Your comments are typical of an antidemocratic, anti-American, pro-Russian troll. You are willing to sacrifice what's left of any democratic rights we have as well as the inhabitability of the world to "teach a lesson" to the Democrats. The most important issue that continues to be ignored & exacerbated by Republicans, corporatists & billionaires is biospheric collapse caused by the combination of global heating/climate chaos, environmental destruction, ecosystem disintegration, marine degradation & mass extinction. Trump/Vance will accelerate that process. At least as important as the carnage perpetrated by Trump & Putin's fellow psychopath Netanyahu, is the barbaric atrocities perpetrated by Russia on Ukraine that threatens to plunge all of Europe into war if Russia succeeds (& gives China encouragement to attack Taiwan). Putin's puppet Trump will give Putin (& Xi) whatever he wants, & democracy & civilization throughout the world will be in jeopardy. I also suspect that Putin is the mastermind behind the attack by the proxy of Russia's most faithful ally in their war against Ukraine that occurred on Putin's birthday, since he benefits more than anyone else (except temporarily Netanyahu), with less international scrutiny of his atrocities in Ukraine & increased social unrest in the US & the undermining of support for Biden/Harris, which benefits the Siberian Candidate, Benedict Donald.
Very well said. Excellent points Mr Rankin. Thank you for speaking up.
Thank-you! You've made some great comments yourself!
And so obviously, the true useful idiot here is trump. If I didn't detest him so much, he would possibly be worthy of pity. What a self-absorbed, delusional, and stunted man child he is. But playing with the fate of generations after him, right before he kicks the bucket, is abhorrent.
I'm really not seeing the Cheneys in the future "inner circle" but they're certainly useful to deploy to appeal to wavering old school Republicans. I certainly hope they are kicked to the curb after.
BTW, I’m a Muslim immigrant.
Someone who will likely be among those who suffer the most in a Trump/Vance administration.
Sadly, yes.
My stepfather and mother were like that. Republicans to the bitter end. Always voting against people and policies that would have improved their own lives just so they could keep all those “others” from getting any either. They would have adored trump and vance and then been ground under their heels after putting them in office.
That's sad. So many families have been disrupted by the hate & division spewed by Trump, Fox, etc.
I have been lucky in that no one in my family has been taken in by Trump or Fox. I don't even know personally anyone I suspect of supporting Trump, although very few people around me talk politics, so it just may be some do support him but don't talk about it.
People often hold views that are the opposite of what one would think they would be due to any one of many factors - gender, identity, race, social status, etc. Being a Muslim immigrant is part of who you are but it doesn’t mean you get a pass or excuse for your political views, especially given how far right they are with your support for Stein. The Green Party might have become a force to be reckoned with but Stein destroyed it for her own gain and notoriety.
I agree. The Green Party was on the right path, but Stein has set them back by, like RFK Jr. & others, trying to sabotage the chances of Democrats & democracy prevailing. Her actions have been supporting the likes of Trump & Putin rather than focusing on the issues the Green Party has been known & lauded for, making their goals & any hopes of becoming a major party much harder to attain.
This is an echo chamber of genocide apologists. You don’t care about Palestinians or any group of oppressed people. You just care about yourselves. You’re all ugly Americans.
We are not electing a king who can declare things and it is so. How much will Stein accomplish without actually having the backing of Congress?